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Gary2810
Joined: 06 Feb 2010 Posts: 30 Location: Scumfermline
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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:18 pm Post subject: Spl Expansion What Do You Think? |
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Well Guys What Do Use Think Good Or Bad Idea? I Hope It Does Happen And If It Does I Think We Have A Good Chance In Being Selected In The Spl. Out Of The 12 Spl Managers 7 Of Them Agree To The Change So I Do Hope Some Thing Gets Done. |
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scotty
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 9065 Location: Almost Dysart.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:36 am Post subject: |
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I vote yes but that would have to be just the beginning. There has to be more change than (as well as) just increasing the size of the top flight.
Since the Premier league was invented in the 1970's (to save the Scottish games flagging fortunes) we've had more teams and we've had less teams in the league and the only things that haven't changed is that year in year out the standard has gotten worse, the OF have gotten more of the share (and still gotten poorer for it ) and our stature in Europe has diminished further.
Since 1981 and all home gates were no longer shared the OF have gotten richer and therefore as expected dominated the domestic scene but without the positive spion-off of doing well in Europe.
The problem as I see it, too many clubs and not enough supporters/cash to go around.
We could sell the product to television but it's so poor nobody wants to buy it (other than the OFs games).
Simply increaing the SPL numbers won't cure this sick beast. A national (UK) cup comp' (anyone remeber the Texaco Cup?) for teams not involved in European action could prove an incentive for sides who could be in the meaningless games zone that would/could occur in a larger league.
I'd also like to see a major overhaul of the mechanics of things too. Make it law that in the top flight you must play two U21s in your starting line-up.
Make it law that in the other leagues below the SPL you can have no more than 6 fulltime players over the age of 21 yrs, but as many fulltime U21 as you like.
Surely both those suggestions would bee good for the game. _________________ Competitive goals: Vaughan 18, Easton 11, Hamilton 10, Smith 9, Stanton 7, Mullin 4, Connolly 3, O'Reilly 3, Rudden 3, S Brown 1, Dick 1, Gullan 1, Masson 1, Millen 1, Mitchell 1, Murray, Watson 1, OG's 1, |
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Geordie_Munro
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 905 Location: Boise, ID.
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:26 am Post subject: |
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Rangers and Celtic will definately put the brakes on this, just like they always do. Trouble is that Rangers and Celtic are only interested in Rangers and Celtic. They don't want to be playing even diddier teams like us, the Pars and Plastic Whistle..........
Wish they would just go to their English Premiership dream worlds and leave the real teams with real fans to play in a league where the SPL title isn't bought every year and paid for by glory hunters from Kirkcaldy, Dunfermline, Greenock, Ayr and Stirling.
Definately time for change, and a bigger priority in my view is to merge the SPL, SFA and SFL to reduce red tape and start to get the game in this country off it's knees. Unfortunately, turkeys don't vote for christmas..... _________________ No no no no ma wee laddie. |
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rovers4ever
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 5314 Location: Burntisland
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 8:03 am Post subject: |
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For change to happen, a 10-2 vote is needed. That puts the kibosh on it really.
The fans want it, managers want it and I daresay players want it too. However, its the chairmen who have the voting power and they don't want it as they'd prefer to rake in the money. _________________ A proud member of the 45. Saor Alba. |
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Vinnie
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 8227 Location: None Of Your Business
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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rovers4ever wrote: | For change to happen, a 10-2 vote is needed. That puts the kibosh on it really.
The fans want it, managers want it and I daresay players want it too. However, its the chairmen who have the voting power and they don't want it as they'd prefer to rake in the money. |
Nail on head.Club chairman are not interested in developing Scottish football,its all about money.Clubs are on their knees at present financially so there is no chance of this going ahead. Turkeys don`t vote for xmas
Quote: | I Hope It Does Happen And If It Does I Think We Have A Good Chance In Being Selected In The Spl. |
I don`t see why you think we have a good chance of being selected in the unlikely event of this happening. On league standings and ground criteria at the moment Dundee,Inverness,Partick Thistle and Dunfermline would be in front of us,all who meet the ground criteria and have undersoil heating(albeit DUnfermlines does not seem to work). [/quote]
Quote: | A national (UK) cup comp' (anyone remeber the Texaco Cup?) for teams not involved in European action could prove an incentive for sides who could be in the meaningless games zone that would/could occur in a larger league. |
Remember it well but don`t remember it being a great success.
Quote: | I'd also like to see a major overhaul of the mechanics of things too. Make it law that in the top flight you must play two U21s in your starting line-up. |
Like the thinking but managers are already moaning at having to have 2 under 21s on the bench never mind in the starting line up. If we cant have a law stopping teams fielding ex amount of foreign players its unlikely we can do it for under 21s |
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Yer_maw
Joined: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 644 Location: Kirkcaldy
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Vinnie has pretty much posted what I was going to say ie there are other teams ahead of us that would probably fit the criteria for playing in a 12 team SPL league before us.
EDIT - meant 16 team SPL league.
Last edited by Yer_maw on Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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rovers4ever
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 5314 Location: Burntisland
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yer_maw wrote: | Vinnie has pretty much posted what I was going to say ie there are other teams ahead of us that would probably fit the criteria for playing in a 12 team SPL league before us. |
Aye, but if the 16 team SPL became a reality (I'd be if it did), then we have something tangible to aim for over the next 2-3 years instead of perhaps 5-6 years at present until our debts are cleared. _________________ A proud member of the 45. Saor Alba. |
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Scary Bear
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 2739 Location: Sunny Kirkcaldy
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Walter Smith even thinks it's a diddy league!
He called the split embarrassing and wants an 18 team league. The man talks sense. _________________ This is the year we win the Play-offs. |
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rovers4ever
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 5314 Location: Burntisland
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Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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Scary Bear wrote: | Walter Smith even thinks it's a diddy league!
He called the split embarrassing and wants an 18 team league. The man talks sense. |
Like the guy, talks a lot of common sense, shame he isn't a chairman though. _________________ A proud member of the 45. Saor Alba. |
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KdyHeelsLover
Joined: 01 Jan 2010 Posts: 132 Location: Kirkcaldy.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 8:09 am Post subject: |
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20 team league like English Premier.
38 games a season and only playing teams once home and away instead of the 4 times a season we already have which is woeful. |
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Tam Moderator
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 6452 Location: Kettlebridge
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:02 am Post subject: |
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Its pathetic when the vast majority of people who follow Scottish Football realised many years ago the SPL and the SFL three league system are an embarrassing failure. |
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daryl1990
Joined: 20 Jul 2008 Posts: 2510 Location: glenrothes
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:35 am Post subject: |
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KdyHeelsLover wrote: | 20 team league like English Premier.
38 games a season and only playing teams once home and away instead of the 4 times a season we already have which is woeful. |
This is what I would like to see with a 3 up 3 down system in a 22 team division one. _________________ Goal Count 10/11
Baird 6 Tade 4 Mole 4 Ferry 3 Walker 2 Davidson 1 Ellis 1 Dyer 1 Simmons 1 Williamson 1 |
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Geordie_Munro
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 905 Location: Boise, ID.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:43 am Post subject: |
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KdyHeelsLover wrote: | 20 team league like English Premier.
38 games a season and only playing teams once home and away instead of the 4 times a season we already have which is woeful. |
EssPeeEll v English Premiership. A comparison.
The English Premiership.
Well organised.
Respected organisation.
Competitive league. There are usually 4 or 5 teams competing for the title. In the relegation stakes, there is more than one team up and down.
Worldwide audience interest.
Arguably the best league in the world.
Attracts the best players worldwide.
Self sufficient, generates more money than a small country.
TV rights worth many millions.
Referees generally have a clue.
Games are well worth their entry fees on enteratinment value alone.
The EssPeeEll
Completely disorganised.
Has no respect whatsoever, and is always rubbing against the SFL and SFA (another couple of bodies of blazered idiots who couldn't organise a drink in a brewhouse.)
Uncompetitive league. The old firm, then the also rans. Not enough teams in the top division, and not enough teams to relegate a sufficient amount of no hopers to be replaced by another bunch of no hopers.
Scotland wide audience.
Not even registering on the scale of the best leagues in the world. Probably on a par with the Irish and Welsh leagues.
Attracts hopeless overpaid greeting faced has beens or never will be's.
Generates money for the old firm, while the rest argue over the scraps from the table.
TV rights would be as good with BBC Alba. No appeal to TV audiences outwith Scotland.
Referees don't have a clue and are easily swayed by the big old firm crowds.
Games are overpriced for the quality of 'football' on show.
In short, there can be NO comparison with the EPL. It's like comapring chalk with cheese. _________________ No no no no ma wee laddie. |
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Vinnie
Joined: 12 Jul 2008 Posts: 8227 Location: None Of Your Business
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Geordie_Munro wrote: | KdyHeelsLover wrote: | 20 team league like English Premier.
38 games a season and only playing teams once home and away instead of the 4 times a season we already have which is woeful. |
EssPeeEll v English Premiership. A comparison.
The English Premiership.
Well organised.
Respected organisation.
Competitive league. There are usually 4 or 5 teams competing for the title. In the relegation stakes, there is more than one team up and down.
Worldwide audience interest.
Arguably the best league in the world.
Attracts the best players worldwide.
Self sufficient, generates more money than a small country.
TV rights worth many millions.
Referees generally have a clue.
Games are well worth their entry fees on enteratinment value alone. |
And billions of pound in debt,in fact I`m sure the combined debt of the clubs is more than all European leagues put together |
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Tam Moderator
Joined: 06 Jul 2008 Posts: 6452 Location: Kettlebridge
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Agree with your debt sentiments Vinnie however, I think the majority of European clubs are in debt especially the "successful" clubs.
In fact most clubs are in debt they are just as bad as the governments, banks, etc etc
Where's Alvin Hall, Martins Money Tips when you need 'em? |
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